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Healing The Racial Wall
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Growth, Truth, and Kindness Break Racial Walls
What if we’ve been fighting the wrong battle—attacking skin while ignoring the heart?
In this powerful conversation, I sit down with Pastor Dr. Willibroad Ticha to explore the deeper roots of racism through a biblical lens. We discuss why racism cannot be solved by policies or arguments alone, but through transformed hearts that learn to see every person as created in the image of God.
We also reflect on the tragic death of Charlie Kirk and discuss why his willingness to speak what he believed was true sparked both admiration and controversy. Regardless of where people stand politically, his death reminds us of the importance of defending truth with both conviction and Christlike love.
From personal stories to practical biblical principles, this conversation explores how churches and communities can move beyond division toward genuine unity. Pastor Ticha shares a powerful framework he calls “cultural windows”—shared points of connection that help break through cultural walls and build meaningful relationships.
Together we discuss:
- Why truth sometimes offends before it heals.
- How repentance opens the door to reconciliation.
- Multicultural worship and leadership rooted in character rather than ethnicity.
- Lessons from Rwanda’s recovery after genocide.
- Why lasting unity begins with transformed hearts—not merely changed policies.
If you’re looking for a faith-filled, honest conversation about race, truth, unity, and the Gospel, this episode will both challenge and encourage you.
❤️ Watch, subscribe, and share with someone who believes healing is possible. Together, we can become bridge builders in a divided world.
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Why Talk About Race Now
SPEAKER_03With Charlie Kirk's death and a lot of things that are arising right now with uh Latin America, Latinos in America, America in general, I thought he would be a great person to bring this topic up. And so, and there's just some things that I really wanted to share and ask him that hopefully can ignite something in America and in the body of Christ to be able to bring restoration to the race, the racism, the segregation. Because even though we say we we don't have it, it still exists. And we had a conversation after, before the show. And it was getting really deep. Again, I should have turned it on. This is Pastor Dr. Willie Teacha.
Meet Pastor Willie Teacha
SPEAKER_03Does that I say that right, Teacher?
SPEAKER_01You're right, my dear.
SPEAKER_03Now you are you're in Maryland now, right? Yeah. And tell me a little bit about what's going on in your life.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so actually, uh, we right now we're planning a church in the DMV area. And it's called the Heroes Place. And the the reason why we we chose the DMV area for now is because the law has been talking to my lot. One of my goals, even before coming to the USA, was to have a mission base in DC itself, the capital city of the United States.
SPEAKER_03I'm mission based here in America, okay.
SPEAKER_02And precisely also in DC, Washington, D.C. being the capital. Also, with regards to the ministry, there's a lot which we're getting into. We have a launching of fully the ministry in November the 8th and the 9th in the DMV area, and we'll be launching different aspects of the things which we do. So right now, that's where we are.
SPEAKER_03Okay, great. I know that so the launching is the launching of the new church that you uh your church planted, right? So you're considered an apostle. We're talking about that earlier. I was like, you're also an apostle, a chaplain, a pastor, a doctor, apostle. Like this is walking a lot of shoes there, sir. But I wanted to talk about because I was sharing with him how I was listening to this video, and one of the things that really caught my attention was this young pastor who is from Echo Church, etc., and she was talking about Pastor Jamal, how he was talking really bad about how the black people can support Donald Trump and considering that there are African American black, you know, and that, you know, who's quoting these things on from the pulpit, and she was sharing how can you say those things when you are, when heaven is not going to be segregated. And so I was sharing with Pastor about what is it that we can do as a body, as humans, to be able to stop the racism, stop the you know, the judgment, and really heal that part
A Church Plant With A DC Vision
SPEAKER_03of all of us because it's not just now African Americans, now we're talking about Latinos, you know, you know, a lot of I hear a lot of comments, you know, from Hispanic people toward Mexican Americans and Mexicans about them not being from America and a lot of really bad things. I know that we you were telling me that, but I want you to tell me again what you were saying because it is so, so good.
SPEAKER_02Okay, thank you, my dear. Yeah, I think that actually is a very uh it's a real concern, especially uh in a society like this one today, which I think that people get really overly sensitive to the point wherein they they want to make they want to build um a donhill on what on every little thing. And I think that we should stop generalizing things. If I come out as a as a person and I make a statement that may seem offensive, people shouldn't look at that. I wasn't I wasn't sent by the black people. I'm not I'm not representing them. So people should people should stop generalizing things. You know, deal with people as individuals, for example. If someone was to do something, you know, we shouldn't we shouldn't generalize it. We should not generalize it. We should look at individuals, people do things based on their heart disposition. Based on their heart disposition. And so we must be able to relate with the heart of the person and not just you know not generalizing things, for example, because uh we have to go past the color of our skin. Of course, yeah, the color of the skin, yeah, of course. So what I'm saying is that people, when when someone says something which doesn't really make sense or it looks offensive, it is a heart issue. It's it is the problem of the heart. If I was to say something to you which was offensive, it is it is based on the strength of my heart, not the color of my skin. Because there's I may say I may hate you as a person, but there'll be other another black person that will love you. So it if the problem is is not the color of the skin, but it's the heart issue. So I think that is what we must that that's be a consciousness. And when we look at it in that perspective, then we would we would this whole issue of racism is gonna eventually die a natural death. It will die a natural death because even in Africa, for example, you know, wherein you have blacks, for example, like let's say, for example, Rwanda. I wanted to Rwanda to preach this several times. You know, more than 20 years ago, you Rwanda went through a crisis. There was this genocide
Stop Generalizing People
SPEAKER_02wherein two different tribes were fighting each other, the Tutsis and the Hitos. These are all black people in the same country fighting each other. That's tribalism and all of that stuff. Now, when they overcame a crisis, the president of Rwanda, Kagami, you know, passed a law, the pastoral law, and the law has to do with you, don't ask a person what tribe he belongs to. If you ask a person the tribe he belongs to in Rwanda, you can be given a jail sentence. You go to jail just for asking someone's tribe, because the problem they went through was that of tribalism. So racism is in that same line. You know, if I think that in our interactions with people, for example, we should go past the color of your skin. If people say some things which are wrong, or you know, which we consider to be wrong, it is the it the problem is the real problem is the heart of that question, not a skin color.
SPEAKER_03How do we manage to overcome it? Bring that wall down. Okay.
SPEAKER_02First of all, I would say we have to outdraw our past. Every society is coming from somewhere, every suspect a person is a sum total of everything they've been through. The the way you're thinking today is influenced by your past and all of that. So we we've all gone through experiences. That's true. I have met ladies that they tell me all men are wicked just because of the experiences with men. So they come to the conclusion all men are wicked. I was talking to a lady like that who said, all men are wicked, and she was asking me, Pastor, please, I need your counsel with regards to certain things. All men are wicked, and so she wanted my counsel or something. And I told her, Listen, I'm also a man. So if I'm wicked, why do you need my counsel? So I'm not to realize you have to outdraw your pain. You have to outdraw your past. It's true. People hurt you, it's true. It doesn't mean everybody's like that. It doesn't mean every person is like that.
SPEAKER_03So do you think that maybe they need to ask themselves at that question? Because I know I had to ask myself, you know, when the whole Charlie Kirk incident happened, you know, he was assassinated, you know, on live TV, went viral. And that was very horrible to think about his children in the future being able to see a video like that, you know. And, you know, it wasn't from a it wasn't a black person that killed him, it was a white person that killed him, you know. But it but at the same time, it was like we have to speak about it because he there are some things that we can say, and then it gets misinterpreted by someone else that is not the same color that I am. And because they didn't like
Racism As A Heart Problem
SPEAKER_03it, immediately they throw out the race card. Exactly. And I'm not just talking about, you know, blacks, Hispanics, Latinos, everybody throws it, you know, out when it's convenient for them to use. And I think that it's abused in the wrong way.
SPEAKER_02It's it's very much abused in the wrong way. In fact, the day Charlie Kirk was shot, killed, I posted a video about him that morning of one of the videos which he did, you know, in you know, there at the university where he was shot. I posted a video about him celebrating what he was doing, only to be shocked that by by 1223, you know, the time of a death, he was shot, you know. And and I followed Charlie Kirk. When you look at Charlie Kirk, for example, you know, I like him, I like his openness, his genuiness, and the fact that he says it just like it is. And think about it, for example, you know, I mean, I guess I said we have a problem of overly sensitive.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was just gonna say that we're you were you were right about that when you said that earlier.
SPEAKER_02It's very overly overly sensitive. And we people already have a way to think, and they don't want to think out of the box. But you see, the problem that the you know once someone says something, we have to be able to look at the context in which they said it. I've never seen Charlie Kirk being racist. I'm black, he's white. If he's racist, if he hates black people, then I'll have a problem with him. But I'm black, he is white, I don't know him from Adam personally. I follow him. You see, truth is very powerful, especially if the kind of things you say are things which people don't want to hear. They always want to build a story around that to call you names and all that stuff. Even preaching the gospel, there are people who say, Oh, when the brother is full of hate because of the kind of things I stand on truth. You know, and so that's the nature of truth. The Bible tells us in Hebrews 4, verse 12, that the word of God is actual, it's not ice cream, it's it's a search on both sides, short on both sides. So there is just one where people will not feel offended, you know, when you preach genuinely the truth.
SPEAKER_03Well, proper response. It's a repentance. Say that again, Pastor. It's a repentance.
SPEAKER_02It's not really because the word of God the word of God doesn't really offend, but it exposes our hearts.
SPEAKER_03It exposes our hearts.
SPEAKER_02And when the word of God begins to expose our hearts, what we we need to do is to repent. Because if we don't repent, then we what we are into is rebellion. If you read Acts
Rwanda And The Cost Of Tribalism
SPEAKER_022, Peter is preaching to the multitude of 3,000 people, talking about Christ who was killed, you know, the day on the day of Pentecost. And the word of God pierced the hearts of the people. They said, Men and brethren, what then shall we do? Peter said, repent. That's what you need to do. Repent. Charlie Clint was a great person, you know, truth for truth, preaching the truth, even when he knew that that truth was offensive. People don't people didn't want to hear it because people are not willing to turn away from their wrong ways. And because of that, they won't want you to talk to talk about it because every time the word of God is being preached, it's like you're shining a light through darkness. And if someone wants to remain in darkness, then shining light becomes offensive, not because the light is offensive.
SPEAKER_03I don't like using the word black Mexican. You know, I'm doing it now because I want us to come to an understanding to let people know that this really is happening. But I grew up with my sister, she raised me to not use those words.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03She despised it when I used why do they have to be white? Why do they have to be Mexican? Why can't you just say the person with the pure pretty smile? Why can't you say the person with the blue shirt? Why do you have to add that behind? And so I want to know how can I bring healing? Which I know that I can. I know God does. But I know that we also have to walk in that light in the love, right? Because there could be something that I'm doing. Like, I can I have to come, I ask myself really hard questions. Like, are you really prejudiced? Like, are you prejudiced about this? And I and I mentioned to you earlier, I said, I I believe that I was prejudiced for a while with my own race because I grew up in a Hispanic church and my mom was very wounded in the church. And she was a praying woman, she believed in the Lord, and she had And I think that's right. You say we label people from one experience, we live in that experience and we don't heal from that experience. That's right. And then we label everybody else. But I want to understand because I don't, if there's something in me that's not bringing unity to the body of Christ as a Christian, as a believer, as a woman of God, then I want to be able to break down this barrier and look at you not as a black man, but as a man of God.
SPEAKER_02So I think that we should grow, we should learn to realize that people, individuals, make decisions. That young guy who showed Charlie Kirk, he didn't consult his parents' opinion, he didn't consult the opinions of others, and he took a decision personally to shoot Chali Kirk. It is a heart problem, not the color of the skin. So I think we ought to outgrow that. If we outgrow that, that is when the healing process is going to begin because then we don't begin to see others like enemies, we see others as friends, as brothers, and all of that stuff. So that is where it actually begins, you know. So growth is gonna be the very first thing, you know, that would happen. And then also we have to be able to teach the young ones. I think there should be course. I don't know. I didn't spot in the USA, you know, so I don't know exactly what they have what they really spotted in their schools, but courses should be developed on how to deal with the issue of racism. Courses should be should be should be developed, and children should go through these courses to the point wherein you can't even make a difference between the black and the white or Hispanic or whatever. You just deal with people as human beings. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Now, do you find it hard as a
Outgrowing Pain From The Past
SPEAKER_03pastor to be able to bring that into the congregation?
SPEAKER_02Personally, I don't find it difficult. I don't, first of all, my my my studies, my doctorate degree actually is in intercultural studies. So I'm someone that is I'm used to different cultures. I learn to relate with people. You know, I I don't learn to judge why people do certain things the way they do them, you know, because what is a reality to you in a particular cultural setting is not necessarily what is a reality to another person in a different cultural setting. So I want to be able to look into that context where the person finds themselves. Why do they behave or act the way they do act? But well, it's not a difficult thing for me. I think principally because I think God has been able to work on my heart, first of all, with regards to that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was good. I was just saying that earlier. You have so much favor with people. Like God has given you all this favor.
SPEAKER_02You know, God has been able to walk on my heart with regards to that. I learned to understand different cultures, to relate the people, to know that people will not always think the way I think or do things the way I do them, as long as it is not breaching a biblical principle to be cool with that. So for me as a pastor, it's not it's not a difficult thing, but there could be a lot of pastors who find it that very difficult and very challenging.
SPEAKER_03Because you were saying also earlier about how you have your congregation and then there's things in your leadership that you have not opened, not put anyone in place. Yeah. Tell me, tell me why.
SPEAKER_02Yes. As an industry, we have different departments. You know, and uh there are certain departments which I purposed in my head to say, look, listen, the person that was that is going to be the leader of this department is gonna be a person of a different race, whether it is white, whether it is Hispanic, whether it is Indian or however you want to call it. And just because, for one reason, just for one reason, not because a black person could not occupy it. Because, okay, I would have said, okay, well, right now the leaders which I have more are black people, so let them occupy it and all the people. The leadership is yeah. So I would have still done that, which of course, someone looking at the distance may be like, I think Pastor Venezuela is a racist, all his leaders are all black, and all. Someone may look at it like that, you know, but which which might have not been the case, just simply because those who were available for those positions were just black, you know, but again, still with the consciousness that still, I still purpose in my heart to say, look, listen, there are certain departments that someone of a different race will be able to occupy so that when people even those who look who watch from a distance, they can be able to see that, look, listen, we practice what we preach. We diversify
Context Matters More Than Outrage
SPEAKER_02it, we make it, you know, give everybody everyone the chance, and so that people, because the truth is, I mean, and that's why you have today in America churches which are just typically white, typically black, and typically, you know, because one of the things which I'm teaching now, my leaders is what I call a cultural window. Cultural window. A cultural window. Well, that's my terminology. I like it, exactly. I call with that. A cultural window. I like it. A cultural window is that is okay. You are Hispanic, for example, I'm black. Let's say you're of a different culture, I'm of a different culture. By by by just by that, just on that cultural perspective, there should be a cultural wall that divides you and me. Maybe the kind of food you eat, I don't eat the kind of food, the kind of lifestyle you have, I don't have that just the fact that I'm black from Africa, you are Hispanic, for example, that automatically is a cultural war. That somehow, like the woman at the world who told Jesus, you are a Jew, I'm an American, we have no dealings whatsoever. Automatically is a cultural war. Now, a cultural window is a is a hole within that wall that permits that even though there seems to be a cultural wall, you know, the window permits interaction. You guess it? So the window becomes an opportunity to break that wall. So I teach them how to identify cultural windows. Those points. Can you give us a few? I'll give an example today. The woman had a well, and Juno was a Jew, she was a Samaritan. Based on their cultural differences, the Jew and the Samaritan had no dealings whatsoever. They could not even drink from the same container. So Christ said at the world, give me a drink. No, you are a Jew. Our Samaritan, we have no dealings whatsoever. But that well itself was a uniting factor. That well was Jacob's well. Jacob was the father of the Samaritans and the father of the Jews. So Christ sitting at that well, even though the Jews and the Samaritans had no dealings whatsoever, yet the Samaritan could not chase the Jew out of that well because they have a legal right to that world, for example. So that world served as a uniting factor. So, so so with the culture of the you're looking at what are irrespective of our differences, what are those things which can unite us? What are those things that we can agree on? Now you take advantage of that, and if you take advantage, if you can agree on that thing, you can take advantage of that and break that wall. And and break that culture of difference, for example. Okay, like for example, uh in a practical situation, for example, in a church setting, one of the places wherein
Truth, Offense, And Repentance
SPEAKER_02you can create a window, you know, a window that people of different races will be attracted even to that church. One of the places would have to do, even with the choir, the music. Music is a universal language. I sit down and I sing, I sit down and I enjoy South African music, but I don't understand South African language. I don't know what they're talking about. I can relate from my spirit that this one is talking about God. I can feel it. Though I don't understand it, I can feel it. I can and I can really feel the message, though not understanding. Music is a universal language. Now, music can become a cultural window. A typical black church, if they want to diversify their church, one of the things they have to work on is their music, is the choir.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yes, is the choir. If you keep on singing only songs that Africans are used to, it's not going to attract the white. No. You have to, you have to, you get it. You have to be able to, your songs have to also be inviting.
SPEAKER_03Inviting. Inviting.
SPEAKER_02And I mean, if you can have a multicultural choir, it's a done deal. So your songs have to be inviting. A white person should feel like I can come there and feel and flow with the worship. For example. So we have to be able to identify those cultural windows, those areas that we can take advantage of and break through the cultural wall. So that what is actually supposed to divide us, when people look at us and expecting that we should have no interaction one to another, we can break through that. And once you break through that, then you realize the person that you are building a wall is is just like you. No difference.
SPEAKER_03Do you think that this because I know you did the chaplain scene, you're also a chaplain yourself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Do you is that something that is also taught within your chaplain program as a teacher?
SPEAKER_02Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah, of course. During that chaplain program training, we teach about that, how to break those kinds of how to interact with people, even from different cultures and stuff, how to deal with people, you know. Yeah, we do that.
SPEAKER_03This is uh Pastor Dr. Willie Teacher. Is that who say that right? Teacher?
SPEAKER_01You're right, my dear.
SPEAKER_03And this is a Maggie Wynn podcast. I had invited him to come on back to the show to share a little bit about what he's doing. He is just started a church in Maryland, and he is going. To be having his launch November the 8th and 9th.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03So if you want to be a part of that, we'll link the details under our at the end of this podcast. I do want to share his website. It is gospelheroes.org. So gospelheroes.org, you can find out more information. He does have a lot of videos, um, YouTube videos about him. One of my favorites is when he goes to the airport and just wins souls for Christ right there in the entire lobby and on the place. So he does a lot of mission work in America. You know, we are missionaries to another country. He's missionaries to America, which I think it's really, really cool. And I've invited him to come and just share this interesting topic on how to overcome this racial wall that has been placed for years and years and years, and not just with blacks and whites, African Americans, but Hispanics, Latinos, you know, and I say that because I know people that are prejudiced against Mexicans and prejudiced against Latinos and Chicanos and all of that. And it's it's sad to hear those things when it you when you look at it, you know, that's that's a child of God too. And I don't think that God would say, well, we're gonna put the Hispanics over there in heaven and the black people over there. And if you are, you know, whatever over here, I think we're all gonna be together because we are spirit. And I think when we overcome that, that's when we will be a better country, a better people, and the the correct way, the proper way, the healed way of being a body of Christ. And what strategies
Words, Labels, And Self-Reflection
SPEAKER_03have you found most effective for leaders, leadership development within the church to raise up the next generation of shepherds, teachers, and mission leaders? Because you were talking earlier and you were saying what some of the people are doing now is just they're passing the same traumas on to and that's not that's in everything, not just racism. We pass our hurts from the man that wounded us, the woman that wounded us, you know, the teacher that put us down, whatever. We we carry those traumas into our next future. And that's children have our when we have our children, we just pass those things along, and then they're repeating the same cycle of hatred toward an individual because they're not healed as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. First of all, what I would say is that you you have to be able to have law for the younger generation. You need to know exactly, first of all, you have to have love for the young for the younger ones, passion for them, and find out what is it, find out what way where the attention is. It's what the love. You know, what are those things that characterize? How do I condescend to their level and minister to them? You see, in missions we call that adaptability, where when you go into a culture which is culturally different from where you're coming from, and you have to adapt to that culture without adopting it, especially if it has to do with certain aspects of the culture which are not right. How do I adapt to that culture without adopting those wrong elements within that culture? So it's very important. So, first of all, have a look for the younger people. Know exactly what motivates them. How can I contextualize? Maybe you want to teach them about the the need for them to read the Bible and pray and spend it.
SPEAKER_03How do you motivate teenagers and young people to read their Bible?
SPEAKER_02That's a challenge. Reading, first of all, can be a very boring experience. Yes, for fact. Reading can be a boring experience at times, especially if you're reading something which you don't like. Going to school, there were some subjects or courses which I didn't like. You know, I would prefer other courses than others. But every time I was in a class of a subject which I didn't like, it was a boring time. But if I was in a class of a subject which I like or it's exciting, so so reading generally is it could be a boring experience, especially if it's something that someone doesn't naturally like to read. Now, how do I tell a young person, or how do I make studying the scriptures an exciting moment for a teenager when they have video games to play, they have social media out there.
SPEAKER_03So many things.
SPEAKER_02Good. So I need to be able to, whatever lesson about how to study the Bible I have for them, I have to be able to contextualize it in a way that will actually motivate them to want to study. So in a ministry where you're beginning something something already with young people, which I call it a Bible cert. A Bible cert is a game where I get young people with prizes. We have our to give and start.
SPEAKER_03It can't be money, because you know young people love it.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. And and and it has to do with, okay, we're gonna just ask them questions from the Bible. For example, we're gonna ask them questions from the Bible. Whoever gives the Einstein goes with the price. A young person stands away with a Bible, another one with the Bible, and they put the the put it to what was it? Each of them put their Bibles like that towards
Cultural Windows That Create Unity
SPEAKER_02each other. Is that opposed to the book of Habakkuk, chapter 2, verse 3? And someone is checking Habakkuk in the New Testament, and oh, and the first one to open gets a prize, for example. Because of because of that, it now will motivate a young person. Wait a minute, wait, uh I must get the price next time. They want to now find out to know exactly all the books of the Bible. Now, what is motivating them, wanting to know the order of the books of the Bible, is because I want to be the winner of that game. So he so he tries to now know it, and then he knows that there will be questions which will be answered, and he wants to read the price. So, so he wants to read the Bible to know certain things, so that when we ask the questions, he can get the answer and get his price. Now, in that process, even though it is the game motivating him, yet he's taught in the Bible. In that process, he'll get an encounter with God. Then the love for the word of God will then begin to naturally flow because of the encounter he gets with God while he's taught in the scriptures. But you need to know exactly how to get them to that place of wanting even to read it.
SPEAKER_03How many youth do you have or young adults?
SPEAKER_02I want to really know the exact number now because we just began August the 3rd. You know, people come, some come, there's some some of them skip and come, but it it's it's actually growing. We we're excited with what the Lord is doing. And at times, for the young people, at times we can get them like 30 of them in church. For the young people, and you know, it just it just it fluctuates actually.
SPEAKER_03Good. That's a good number. That's a good number.
SPEAKER_02It fluctuates.
SPEAKER_03Let's see. What what tell us about what you're gonna what the process is right now of launching the ministry that you have there to be around kind people.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03And so I need a lot of work. I mean, I kind and I'm giving and I love it, but there are times where I can be very that's that's okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, you see, but by once the law of God is shared in our heart, and as we grow with the Lord, we would we will not even be able to realize uh those different things that are.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because you know, and because I read that scripture, I wouldn't have I would have thought I'm just fine. Yeah. What I said or what I did is fine. But then the God is telling me you could be a little bit more kinder. And I think that if and and I had to take that to heart, like you know, you could be more a little bit more kind and you'll be more likable.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03You know, because it's it's it's sometimes it's hard to be kind to people that are me to you, and that's where you have to walk in that humility of yourself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Because kind people are likable in mind. So if you want to be likable, you have to be kind.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03Right?
SPEAKER_00For sure.
SPEAKER_03And I think that goes back to what we were talking about in the beginning. Yeah, you know, that if you have that division with any race or anything or anyone to be more kind, you're more likable. That's right. People want to be around kind people, that's right. And so I need a lot of work. I mean, I kind and I'm giving and I love it, but there are times where I can be very it takes the Holy Ghost to really work on our heart.
SPEAKER_02You know, uh there were there were those days in my life wherein uh if you did me wrong, I was gonna take you to the place of prayer.
SPEAKER_03And I'm I'm gonna, yes, and I'm you sound like my sister to Elizabeth. She's like, you don't want me to take you to my prayer closet because I will deal with you.
SPEAKER_02Oh yes, oh yeah, oh yes. I mean, there are things I've seen God do. If you did what I would consider like wrong to me, like seriously, I'll take you to the place of prayer. And I'm not gonna give God any rest. And I'm really saying, God, this person must be judged. This person must be judged. But you see, growing, knowing the word of God more, knowing God's word, you know, I begin to realize that look, listen, when God begins to work on your heart, it it becomes easy to let go, it becomes easy to tolerate people. You would realize that one of the fruit of the spirit is long suffering.
SPEAKER_03What is long suffering? Explain that to us.
SPEAKER_02Long suffering. Long suffering is basically what the
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SPEAKER_02Bible calls a living sacrifice. A living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God. Now, a living sacrifice is different from a death sacrifice. I will explain to you what a living sacrifice actually means.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, put yourself in Africa, for example. Put yourself in Africa, for example, in those different cultural villages, for example, they have certain beliefs, for example. They could believe in the ancestors. And they could believe that if in the afternoon, for example, a stray animal gets into your farm and begins to eat your corn, your crops, at a particular time of the day, then that probably are your ancestors that have come in the form of the animal and they're eating. And and and so you're not supposed to stone those animals, for example. So and so they're eating what you and your children have to live on. But because you know it's it could be your ancestors, for example, but you don't stomach. But at the same time, they're eating what you eat and your children, you'll you're live you've got to live on. So you feel the pain of what is going on, but you can do nothing. You can't stomach. Now, it that is a living sacrifice because it's an ongoing thing. You can feel the pain, but you chose to let it go. So long suffering.
SPEAKER_03You go through it when you and find that balance so that you don't become a doormat.
SPEAKER_02I don't know in what context the people, whoever said that was saying, but oh leave it in God's hands. Leave it in God's hands as well. And it continues to make self humble and don't jump, don't jump out of the fire when the footman hasn't met you there. He definitely will meet you there. So there are moments where when you embrace what he counts in all joy, you go to diverse trials. That's a purpose, that's a reason. God will make you meek at times. You may feel humiliated at some moment. Imagine someone talking down on you publicly, and then the Lord still expects you to be quiet about it. You feel humiliated. You know, and so and that's why humility is is it can be it's not just but it builds something in us, right?
SPEAKER_03It builds that long suffering you're talking about. Yes, oh yes. It creates in us that just scroll it off. It's not gonna stress me out anymore. Whatever. Say whatever. You know, where I'm like, oh Yeah.
SPEAKER_02One of the things that will birth humility in the person is is is you know daily consistent meditation on God's word and an intensive life of prayer.
SPEAKER_03An intensive life of prayer and meditation and approach on the word of God.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because the more you spend that intimacy with the Lord, the the more you begin to diminish. When the before the Lord, like John said, I must decrease, he must increase.
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SPEAKER_02And the more you decrease in your own eyes before the Lord, the more you like him. Yeah, the more you know.
SPEAKER_03We just don't like the process.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's the human that's the human nature.
SPEAKER_03We don't like the moving process. We do not.
SPEAKER_02That's the human nature, you know.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, it's like no. So what's next after your launch?
SPEAKER_02We want to take over America for Christ Jesus.
SPEAKER_03Amen.
SPEAKER_02We we want to we just right now we have we actually been building our things to step out in faith more and more, and we trust the Lord that as He leads, you're gonna follow.
SPEAKER_03That's good, Amen. Amen. Amen. That is awesome. Well, we're almost out of time. I would let you close and just whatever is on your heart.
SPEAKER_02God bless you all, and of course, it's a joy to be with you today and just to have you participate in this program. We we love you sincerely, and we're praying that the Lord would lift you up mightily in the name of Jesus Christ. And I want you to know that your circumstances do not define you, and don't even allow anyone to find you because nobody is going to define you above themselves. People will always want you to feel that you're inferior to them. If your dreams look out, they always want you to feel that you're inferior to them. When Joseph began sharing his dreams, his brothers became offended. So I want to encourage you, irrespective of what is happening in your life or in your environment or what you're going through, look up to the Lord from which you occur. It's the sure foundation. Irrespective of what you're going through, believe in yourself, believe in the Lord you believe in. Let God have a perfect His work in your life. Circumstances may be saying contrary, people that be saying contrary, people that are saying you cannot make it, you cannot do it, you cannot overcome. In fact, and what they are saying may seem like it's true because when you look at yourself right now, you you you seem to see faith, failure. You're you're surrounded by failure. You've tried this, it didn't work. You tried this, it didn't work. And somehow it's almost like what people have been saying that you're nobody now, it almost seemed like it is true, it's real. But no, don't believe in that. Abraham Lincoln is one of the most celebrated presidents of the United States of all times. But he failed about 14 different elections. Being the legislature, whatever, about 14 different elections. Didn't give up. Didn't get tired. He pressed on. On the 15th election, he became the president of the United States of America. I mean, let's not even go far back, Abraham Lincoln, Donald Trump. Look at what he went through. He still kept on pushing, kept on believing. There were lawsuits against him and everything. And I mean, who comes back after having lost an election? Who comes back? Everything was working against him, and they said, Look, this is he will not even substitute to become the Republican nominee. He still believes in himself. Believe in yourself. They try to take him out, but it didn't happen. Believe in yourself. You are able to become all that which God designed and destined for you. Just believe in yourself,
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SPEAKER_02believe in God, and keep on pushing on. And the rest will be history. God bless you.
SPEAKER_03Dios te bendiga. I like that. I like that. So I just want to say thank you to everyone for tuning in. I pray that you would share this and go back and listen. This is a beautiful podcast. It's something new, but I just felt the Lord we needed to talk about it. I want to have you back, and maybe when I go there, we can do something there as well. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Wonderful.
SPEAKER_03Please share, like, and I'm going to link all of his information. So if you'd like to be a part of the launch, it'll be November the 8th and the 9th.
SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_03And it's Gospel Heroes World Missions. So there's some information there. If you want to know more about his ministry and donate or be a part of, please I encourage you to do so because I really believe God has called in for such a time as this. I mean, his voice is to speak to America about bringing back the principles, the Bible principles. I believe that this is a man of God that you definitely want to have in your church to minister as well. Thank you. Have a blessed night. Doctor.
SPEAKER_02Thank you, my dear Maggie. Welcome. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_03Talk to you soon. Talk to you.
